Jesus (pbuh) said “I and the Father are One”

Jesus saying “I and the Father are One.

by Dr. Zakir Naik

Before we start on John 10:30 Verse, let us examine some of the exaggerating expressions that were said by Jesus himself in the New Testament:

An exaggerating expression in the Bible:  The Bible contains many verses in it that contain irrational statements.  For instance we read in Matthew 21:21 ” Jesus replied, ‘I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done.  If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.'” I challenge any “faithful” believing Christian to move one brick, not a mountain with his sight or words.  Have any Christian from the time of Jesus till now been able to do it?

Another exaggerating expression is in Mark 16:17-18 “And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.” Again, I challenge any Christian to allow himself to get bit by a poisonous rattle snake or cobra and survive its venom.

Does this mean no “Christian” is a real Christian?  Did Jesus say that no one will ever be a believer, since they can’t lift mountains with their eye sights nor survive deadly poisons?

Does the Bible contain exaggerating expressions in it? and if so, then how can you take the “Trinitarian” verses so literal then?  They too are nothing but exaggerations (as I proved below in this article) that do not prove that Jesus is the Creator of this Universe.

From Sheikh Ahmed Deedat‘s work; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:

Let us look at John 10:30 “I (Jesus) and the Father are One.” This verse is  severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: “…Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are One.”

These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either’s hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God’s equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, ” My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL…,”  in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus.

Also let us look at verse John 17:20-22 “That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be ONE in us.

I in them, they in me, that they may be perfect in “ONE”.  In this verse, the same word ONE used, the Greek, HEN is used, not only to describe Jesus and the Father but to describe Jesus, the Father and eleven of the twelve disciples of Jesus. So here if that implies equality, we have a unique case of 13 Gods.

Of the verse in question, “I and the Father are One” in (John 10:30), we also need to take note of the verses following the 30th verse in the text. In those verses, the Jews accuse Jesus falsely of claiming to be God by these words. He however replies, proving their accusation wrong by their own text: “The Jews answered him saying,’For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being a man, makest thyself a God ‘” (John 10:33).

Jesus replies to this accusation saying: “Jesus answered them, ‘Is it not written in your Law, “I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, “Thou blasphemeth,” because I said I am the son of God?‘” (John 10:34-36).

Let us look at Acts 2:22 “O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you…” Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus.  Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.

From www.jewsforjudaism.org: Question: In John 10:30 Jesus says, “I and the Father are one [hen].”

Doesn’t this show that they are one in essence? This statement does not suggest either a dual or triune deity. What John’s Jesus meant by the word hen (“one”) becomes clear from his prayer concerning the apostles: “That they may be one [hen], just as we are one [hen]” (John 17:22), which means that they should be united in agreement with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in agreement with God, as stated: “I [Jesus] always do the things that are pleasing to Him [God]” (John 8:29). There is thus no implication that Jesus and God, or the twelve apostles are to be considered as of one essence. Further from Muslim-SA:

1.2.2.7 John 10:30 The third verse which Christians claim validates the doctrine of the trinity is the verse of John 10:30

“I and my father are one.”

This verse, however is quoted out of context. The complete passage, starting with John 10:23, reads as follows:

“And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon’s porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one.” John 10:23-30

In divinity?In a holy “Trinity”? No! They are one in PURPOSE. Just as no one shall pluck them out of Jesus’ hand, so too shall no one pluck them out of God’s hand.

Need more proof? Then read:

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.” John 17:20-22

Is all of mankind also part of the “Trinity”?

Such terminology can be found in many other places, read for example:

“Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit,” 1 Corinthians 6:15-17

And also

“One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:6

And “For as the (human) body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.” 1 Corinthians 12:12-14

Once we read the above verses and understand what the message was that Paul was trying to get across, then we can begin to understand his words in such places as:

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:4

“St. Paul” was speaking about Christian unity, not about a plurality of gods merged into one body. As we shall soon see, he was completely ignorant of where his teachings would later lead, and how decades later, they would be the foundations which would spawn the “Trinity” doctrine. Muslim-

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God and Jesus are two separate beings.

3 responses to “Jesus (pbuh) said “I and the Father are One”

  1. LET US FOCUS IN JOHN 10

    JESUS IS THE SOURCE OF EVERLASTING LIFE
    JOHN 10: 28And {{{{ I}}}}} give unto them [[[[eternal life]]]; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    AND THE OWNER OF LIFE
    JOHN 10:18 No man {{taketh it from me}}, but {{[ I }}} lay it down of myself. {{I}} have power to lay it down, and {{I}} have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father (JOHN 10:30).

    JESUS SAID: I HAVE TO POWER TO LAY IT DOWN AND TAKE IT AGAIN.

    JOHN 10: 30 I and my Father are one.

    http://armandecastro.wordpress.com/2010/08/11/si-yahweh-at-jesus-ay-iisa-john-1030/

  2. armandecastro quoted:

    LET US FOCUS IN JOHN 10
    JESUS IS THE SOURCE OF EVERLASTING LIFE
    JOHN 10: 28And {{{{ I}}}}} give unto them [[[[eternal life]]]; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    This is my answer from my post:

    In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: “…Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are One.”

    There are comparissons:

    The Father is greater than him( Jesus).
    And God has no co- equal.
    “One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:6

    Jesus even rejects calling him good how can he claim to be a God?

    “”Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good–except God alone.” (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)”

    armandecastro quoted:

    AND THE OWNER OF LIFE
    JOHN 10:18 No man {{taketh it from me}}, but {{[ I }}} lay it down of myself. {{I}} have power to lay it down, and {{I}} have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father (JOHN 10:30).

    This is my answer:

    his commandment have I received of my Father (JOHN 10:30).
    The Commandment is from the Father not from him. Do Jesus will give a command to himself? NO! (only a insane person will talk to himself and will give an order or command to himself).

    JOHN 10:18 No man {{taketh it from me}}, but {{[ I }}} lay it down of myself. {{I}} have power to lay it down, and {{I}} have power to take it again.

    How can Jesus claim those words if he stated this )the greatest commandment):

    “‘Of all the commandments, which is the most important?’  ‘The most important one,’ answered Jesus, ‘is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.  Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” (Mark 12:28-30). This is commandment is the key for eternal life.

    he also said:

    “And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.” (Matthew 23:9). 

    Jesus Contradicts himself
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/jesus_contradicts_himself.htm

    We must worship the God of Jesus not the Jesus who also have a God. His God is The Most Benificent and The Most Merciful.

    Read more:
    https://ganicanor.wordpress.com/2010/12/26/oneness-of-god/

    https://ganicanor.wordpress.com/2010/12/23/the-greatest-commandment-in-the-bible-and-the-quran/

    God and Jesus Are Two Separate Beings

  3. Pahayag 22:7-13

    7 At sinabi ni Jesus, “Makinig kayo! Darating na ako! Mapalad ang tumutupad sa mga propesiya na nilalaman ng aklat na ito!”

    8 Akong si Juan ang nakarinig at nakakita sa lahat ng ito. Matapos kong marinig at makita ang lahat, ako’y nagpatirapa sa paanan ng anghel na nagpakita sa akin ng mga ito upang siya’y sambahin. 9 Ngunit sinabi niya, “Huwag! Ako ma’y alipin ding tulad mo, at tulad din ng iyong mga kapatid na propeta at ng lahat ng sumusunod sa mga salita sa aklat na ito. Ang Diyos ang sambahin mo!”

    10 At sinabi rin niya sa akin, “Huwag mong ililihim ang mga propesiya na nasa aklat na ito, sapagkat malapit nang maganap ang mga ito. 11 Magpatuloy sa pagpapakasama ang masasama, magpatuloy sa pagpapakarumi ang marurumi, ngunit ang mabubuti ay magpatuloy sa pagpapakabuti at ang banal sa pagpapakabanal.”

    12 At sinabi ni Jesus, “Makinig kayo! Darating na ako! Dala ko ang mga gantimpalang ibibigay sa bawat isa ayon sa kanyang ginawa! 13 Ako ang Alpha at ang Omega, ang una at ang huli, ang simula at ang wakas.”

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